Rico Nasty By Nature

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Before she adopted the moniker Rico Nasty, Maria Kelly was a teenager creating off-the-wall sounds, merging genres and spitting peerless rhymes in Washington, D.C. metro area basements.

Long before Nasty released her breakout hit, 2018’s riotous “Smak a Bitch,” or coined the genre “sugar trap,” her family would brag about her bizarre ability to memorize songs and poems after just one listen. “I didn’t need no paper, no nothing,” she recalls. “Growing up, I realized that’s not a normal thing. I’d hear a song and I could remember the melody and the key.”

Though Rico grew up in Palmer Park on the outskirts of Prince George’s County, Maryland, she was sent an hour away to school in Baltimore starting in fifth grade in the hopes she would attain a better education. Instead, she eventually got expelled for smoking weed.

“I lived on campus, and it was sad for me because I didn’t fit in there,” Nasty says of the school, which did not offer choir or other music-related courses. Luckily, her dorm counselor unlocked her penchant for writing after she found out Rico grew up listening to early 2000s R&B bellwethers such as Erykah Badu, Lauryn Hill, Jill Scott and India.Arie.

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“She got me into writing poetry,” Nasty says. “She got me a little diary and I wrote about how I miss my family. It was always some gut-wrenching, painful art.” From there came her first song, a “lo-fi Cali swag lean” track that sounds nothing like what she makes now. Dubbed “Tumblr Famous” after Nasty’s then-love for the proto blogging platform, the track was made on GarageBand on a day she and her classmates decided to skip school to get high on the last day before winter break. She even remembers wearing her uniform in the woods and falling in the mud at one point.

“We got to the house and we made that song and everybody was like, ‘OK, what’s your rap name?’ I didn’t have a rap name – I was just going by my real name,” she says. Rico Nasty was born shortly thereafter, and she began work on her first mixtape. “It was a snowball effect,” she says.

Her influences in those days ranged from Rihanna (the first CD she spent her own money on was Loud) to Joan Jett. “I had the Shrek soundtrack,” she says. “I wanted to play ‘All Star.’ I wanted to play ‘Bad Reputation.’” Tyler, the Creator made an even deeper impact, to the point that Nasty admits she was “bsessed. It was bad. It was the first time I ever stanned someone.” In fact, if you followed the artist on SoundCloud before Rico Nasty blew up, her original handle was NailBog696, which renders the name of Tyler’s second album, Goblin, backwards.

Nasty’s newly released third album, Lethal, her first for new label Fueled by Ramen, shows off a more mature side to her music thanks to following herself instead of the crowd. “This album represents that it’s OK to stand alone,” she says. “It’s an ode to people who are too nice and then reclaiming their power. In everyone’s younger days, we’re constantly looking for approval. Am I doing this right? No one’s doing it right – not even the people we think are doing it right. So, just relieve that pressure off of yourself and worry about the shit you think is cool.”

Rico Nasty’s LETHAL and the extended LETHAL-ER are available now on Atlantic.

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The Cost of Momentum: Nova Twins Reflect on the Years That Changed Everything

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After months on the road, Amy Love and Georgia South felt the light inside them flickering. Performing as Nova Twins since they were teenagers, their trajectory went from a crawl to a sprint when their electrifying 2020 debut Who Are The Girls? pushed them into the spotlight, and its pace only accelerated when the 2022 follow-up Supernova landed. Having written that second album during the pandemic, they had gotten used to prolonged stillness, but they began experiencing life at a foreign, breakneck new pace when they began touring it. 

“We loved every moment, but we weren’t experienced in touring that extensively,” says vocalist and guitarist Amy. “The end result was we ended up feeling rather a bit hollow. You’re away from home, you don’t have any center. You can’t see your friends and family as much as you want to. You’re going from being in the van for eight hours at a time, and suddenly you’re doing a gig. You’re reserving your energy for this moment, for this an hour-long adrenaline rush and then suddenly you just stop. That does something to your mental health.” 

It’s a tumultuous experience for any touring band, but Nova Twins had shouldered a greater weight than most. “We always felt like we had to fight to exist, to be a rock band and two women of color doing it,” Amy continues. “We always felt we were on the outside looking in. We had to be strong, we had to be tough.” They were fighting to be seen, fighting racialized preconceptions of their band – particularly that they made hip-hop or R&B rather than rock – and then they fought for others. They platformed marginalized artists through Voices For The Unheard initiative, helped create an Alternative Music category at the MOBOs, even funding a scholarship at London music school ICMP. 

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Whereas on Supernova, they became larger-than-life versions of themselves spreading an infectious confidence and joy, their new album Parasites & Butterflies sees them lay their armor down and breathe. Absconding to the lush surroundings of Vermont to work with producer Rich Costey, the British pair let the darkness pool forth, cathartically unpacking anxiety, fear and impostor syndrome in their most vulnerable moment captured to tape yet. “We wouldn’t have been vulnerable if it we felt like we weren’t ready to be,” says bassist Georgia. “It was also quite freeing to be able to talk about things that we needed to talk about. It’s always difficult being vulnerable but sharing the songs with people and hearing what they take from it is also very healing.”

Nova Twins had to tend to themselves first, but perhaps, within the personal, there lays buried new weapons for the revolution. Of course, they’re recalibrating, but they’re acknowledging that it is okay, vital even, to not constantly maintain an illusion of unshakable strength. “Everyone’s riding this rollercoaster of emotion,” says Georgia. “Nobody’s going to feel happy all the time. When we do feel down, I think we just allow ourselves to feel it, knowing that there’s only going to be happiness at the end of it soon.”

In this precarious political moment, it’s hardly a sin to feel shaken and vulnerable. “We want to make sure we’re being honest, that it’s okay to not feel that strong,” adds Amy. Now in a position of improved mental health (“I’ve done seven months of journalling!” remarks Georgia,”) they’re in fighting form again. Bursting forth at the peak of 2020’s Black Lives Matter protests, they’re now confronting an even more frightening world. During their recent appearance at the prestigious Glastonbury Festival in their home country, they gave a powerful speech expressing solidarity with the people of Palestine and Sudan, as well as the trans community. 

“The people you’re supposed to rely on to bring hope and reason [aren’t doing it], so other public figures are having to raise their voice even louder,” notes Amy. “It’s a fucked up time, and we don’t have the answers, and we’re not going to pretend that we do. But when we’re on stage, we try and just use our platform just to spread love and unity and to remind people that we are stronger together when we are raising our voices.”

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YUNGBLUD is bringing the rock star back to rock. At just 27, the British firebrand stunned 45,000 fans and the world at Ozzy Osbourne’s farewell show with a jaw-dropping, emotional cover of “Changes.” Critics and legends alike are calling it one of the greatest live performances of the past 25 years. In a genre starved…

Controlled Chaos: The Rise of Die Spitz

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In late July 2024, before Sleater-Kinney tore through music from their album Little Rope on an outdoor stage in front of the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland, the first band on that humid summer night, Die Spitz, was just as mesmerizing. As they’ve been doing ever since forming in early 2022, the Austin-reared quartet plowed through a set of sludgy hard rock and punk-ish metal that radiated heat and ferocity.

Reflecting back months later, vocalist/guitarist Ellie Livingston, guitarist/vocalist Ava Schrobilgen, bassist Kate Halter, and drummer Chloe De St. Aubin remember the gig well – after all, Halter was on mushrooms for the first time (“it was like Guitar Hero numbers were coming from my fretboard,” she laughs). If you were concerned Die Spitz doesn’t take its music and career very seriously, just ask Jack White, whose Third Man Records will release the group’s debut album later this year.

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It has been a long time in the making. Livingston became friends with Schrobilgen nearly 20 years ago (they bonded in ballet class in Austin) and got close with Halter in middle school. The trio assembled a band inspired by Nirvana, Pixies, and Fiona Apple, and realized only after booking a show at local venue Hole in the Wall that they also needed a drummer. Through an early supporter, they met De St. Aubin, who was already familiar with (and liked) the band after seeing online footage. 

“I thought they were so cool,” she says. “I always wanted to play music with them, but I was [a] nerdy percussion kid. I played marimba and timpani and [no] rock instruments.” Once she joined, De St. Aubin steered the band’s sound and helped bring focus. “We were playing these slow-ass, more country[-leaning] songs, but having the energy of a punk band,” Livingston says. Adds De St. Aubin, “I was getting confused. I wanted to play faster, so I was like, maybe we should try going above 80 BPM.”

These tweaks paid off, as Third Man signed Die Spitz before the group even had demos to showcase. “They saw us at a live show, and they liked our live sound, and even said, ‘I don’t think your recorded music right now is a good representation of the experience you give of a live show. And we agree with that wholeheartedly,” Halter says and laughs. “Them seeing that was a very green flag, because we knew that we were on the same page with how we wanted to get our music out there.”

Die Spitz has been compared to everything from Bikini Kill- and L7-style riot grrrl to ’90s hard rock, but resists being pigeonholed into gender or genre. “If you hear this album all the way through and you say that we’re a purely punk band afterwards, then you might need to get your ears checked,” says Schrobilgen. “I also really hope that after hearing our album, people will stop caring that we’re all girls,” De St. Aubin seconds. “No one’s going around being like, Nirvana, boy band, blah blah blah. That never happens. I don’t think people get why that’s frustrating.”

Die Spitz recorded the new album with producer Will Yip (Code Orange, La Dispute). In addition to introducing the group to picklebacks (shots of Jameson chased by pickle juice), Yip was an excellent creative partner, getting to know them as musicians and people so he could tailor his advice and direction. 

“He would watch how we played, so he knew what he could and couldn’t ask of me,” says De St. Aubin. Adds Livingston,  “He would give opinions as a producer, but then also would listen to you and treat you as a respected musician. Sometimes I feel like I have this vision of recording as some guy is going to tell me that I’m stupid for thinking some way. But Will is very open to everything and wanted it to sound as much like us as he possibly could.”

As for what the new record sounds like, “it has a lot of the same punky, metal-y overtones that our older music has, and like our live shows have, but there are songs that are softer, slower, and more intimate that make the album an experience,” Livingston says. “That’s way cooler than putting out an album where every song sounds the same. It’s not going to intrigue or move someone in the same way.”

Something To Consume is out now on Third Man Records.

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Too Hardcore for Pop, Too Pop for Hardcore: A Conversation With Scowl

When Scowl released Are We All Angels back in April 2025, the Santa Cruz band proved that they were ready to expand well beyond the conventional hardcore scene.

As a group that walked the line of what could be considered “hardcore” ever since their 2019 inception and was (often unjustly) scrutinized by the historically picky genre’s fanbase, Scowl’s sophomore album was a catchy alternative masterpiece that opened themselves up to a much wider audience than even their acclaimed Psychic Dance Routine EP.

In many ways, the progression makes total sense. Vocalist Kat Moss quickly blossomed into one of rock’s biggest rising stars over the last few years, and Scowl has shown its ability to blend heavy riffs with pop-leaning melodies time and time again. The quartet has seemed destined for greatness beyond any subgenre labels the same way that Turnstile has broken into the mainstream.

Now it’s Scowl’s opportunity to show the world that they’re ready for the mainstream limelight by hitting major multi-genre festivals around the world (as well as hardcore and rock festivals like Sound & Fury and Aftershock) ahead of their fall headlining tour with Sunami.

Hit Parader caught up with Moss and drummer Cole Gilbert to chat about the success of the new album, the evolution of hardcore, and more.


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Hit Parader: What made you want to go such a different direction on Are We All Angels?
Kat Moss: It’s one of those things that I think all of us mutually agreed on for a long time. We didn’t want to create something that was average — not to say that we think we’re above average or something, but more of a perspective of doing something that feels different to us both internally and sonically. We wanted to create a space for people who are seeking something that’s a little bit more unorthodox when it comes to the hardcore world and punk music.

HP: How has it felt to see the hardcore scene expand and explore new sounds over the last handful of years thanks largely to bands like Scowl?
Cole Gilbert: It’s awesome. I feel very proud of the people getting out there with their music, but I’m even more proud that it’s so much more accepted now. Just 10 years ago, you had bands like Title Fight and Ceremony exploring new sounds, and people were posting online that they were smashing their CDs when Hyperview and The L-Shaped Man came out. People were like “How could you? You’re not playing a circle pit part anymore! You’re not playing a blast beat anymore! What’s going on?” That was silly to me at the time, and I think it’s something that’s always been there, but it’s just more socially acceptable within our world now to experiment. The whole point of making music is expressing your creativity, and the whole point of hardcore is to not follow the rules, so it’s like “What are we doing here?”

KM: The least surprising thing to do is something polarizing in a subculture that is built on polarization.

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HP: What’s it like to play some of these massive pop festivals recently in addition to the more traditional rock and hardcore fests?
KM: It’s really fun to be the band where when other artists or the crowd at a big festival see us, they’re like “What the fuck is this?” Then we walk into a hardcore festival and everyone’s like “Oh yeah, you guys again.” It’s fun to have that experience, and I like that we don’t sit comfortably anywhere. The festivals themselves are really fun for us because we all have such varied music tastes to begin with, so it really feeds the soul to be around all of these bands and artists from all over the place.

CG: We’re too hardcore for the poppy festivals, but we’re too poppy for the hardcore festivals, so we’re the odd ones out everywhere we go.

KM: I get a kick out of us being the weirdos, but it also feels like a “weird flex” moment internally. I’m an adult and I have green hair, so it’s like “We get it. You’re weird, bro,” but there’s also this feeling that it’s very hardcore or punk to just claim our weirdness and own it anywhere we go. 

HP: Aside from the festivals, you’ve also done some major touring over the last few years, from opening stadium shows to headlining tours. Has anything unexpected changed as the stages have gotten bigger?
KM: Well, it’s gratifying and rewarding for sure, but it’s also like “Damn, my back hurts now!” We’re grateful and it’s fucking awesome, but it also wears on your body to play longer sets and be on the road all the time. We’re getting served the punk pie right now in that we flew close to the sun and now we’re feeling the heat. It gets pretty exhausting, but it’s like when you go to the gym and feel the sweat. It can be hard and dirty, but I’m really grateful on a personal level because I think we’re all growing up in a really beautiful and interesting way with each other through it all. 

CG: A lot of it has been moving so fast that it’s hard to even recognize some of the things that we’ve done as a band, so we’ve just been doing our best to mind our P’s and Q’s the whole time. It still feels like we’re that same band from five years ago, even through all of this. We’re still working as hard as ever, and I don’t think we’ve even begun to reach the point where we can look back and enjoy the fruits of our labors. We can see how far we’ve come, but we’re still climbing.

HP: What else would you like to see for Scowl in the future?
KM: It’s funny, because we’re all thinking about that for the first time now. We’re all in our late 20s and early 30s, and finding balance in life is a lot harder and a very different definition than when the band started. Ideally, it’d be nice to just put out more and better music. I just want to keep writing music that feels good and gratifying and like it speaks to all of us on a really deep level. That and playing shows that have insane energy is all I ask. I don’t give a fucking shit if we’re making that much money or if we’re a big band. I just want to play really fun shows and feel like we’re making really good music for ourselves and for the people who care. Stripping it all down has been so good for me, because I was really obsessed with wanting to do this and this and this and this for a long time. Now, it’s not hard to make me happy. I don’t want to make it complicated. I just want to have fun and feel good.

CG: We’ve come way farther than I ever thought we would, so everything else is just a cherry on top. I want to take it as far as it can go. If it gets bigger? Cool. If we’re right here and it stays here? Cool. 

KM: I’ll go bag groceries again if I need to, but I still want to go on tour for two weeks at a time. I’ll do whatever I need to do, but I just want to be happy and have fun and for everyone to be healthy and taking care of really baseline shit. I experienced some grief this year, and it made me really think about life on a much larger scale. I realized that I don’t need a lot from this. I just want to be happy, safe, healthy and experience love through this whole thing. Maybe I sound like a hippie, but it’s really not any more complicated than that.

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YUNGBLUD is bringing the rock star back to rock. At just 27, the British firebrand stunned 45,000 fans and the world at Ozzy Osbourne’s farewell show with a jaw-dropping, emotional cover of “Changes.” Critics and legends alike are calling it one of the greatest live performances of the past 25 years. In a genre starved…

Two Is Enough: A Conversation With Soft Play

Life as a two-piece punk band comes with its pros and cons, but it’s also the only one that Isaac Holman and Laurie Vincent have chosen.

The English duo embraced the benefits of having fewer mouths to feed while sharing their additional multi-instrumental responsibilities when they got together in 2012. Then they spent a decade touring the world and releasing three albums as Slaves — often shown as Slaves (UK) in the States — before changing their name to Soft Play and releasing 2024’s Heavy Jelly to new levels of popularity and critical acclaim.

But regardless of what the band has called itself, Holman and Vincent have been embraced not only by the punk scene, but also everyone from rappers to metalheads. And as Soft Play has risen to larger stages not just in the UK but around the world, so has their genre-crossing sound and fan base.

Hit Parader caught up with the electrifying duo backstage to chat about their increased international popularity, getting beaten up in music videos, and desire to remain a duo.


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Hit Parader: Soft Play has played and worked with so many different genres of artists. What do you think gives you that cross-genre appeal?

Isaac Holman: Last year, we played with Robbie Williams, Kneecap, IDLES, and Slipknot, so we can go from pop to metal to rap. There’s this continual dialogue where we say, “You need to watch us live,” and that’s been a battle for us because we’ve only just started making records that translate straight off the bat and that people get. People are often like, “Oh, I didn’t even realize you were a two-piece!” So it’s a challenge, but you know, that’s what life is.

HP: What went into the decision to keep Soft Play as a duo instead of adding more members?
Laurie Vincent: We wanted more members. This was all a mistake. We were looking for more members. 

Holman: We wanted a drummer, but we couldn’t find anyone that wanted to drum for us, so Laurie brought these drums to my house and was like “Bang on these until we find a drummer.” I’d never drummed before, so it was just like a happy accident.

Vincent: We had no friends, basically.

Holman: Now it’s gone too far [to add a member]. But if someone from Blue Man Group wants to join, that’s it. They’re in, but they have to stay blue.

Vincent: Would you go blue with them?

Holman: Fuck it, yeah. I want to know the secret to how they get so blue. Is it hard to wash off? In my drawer at home, I’ve got a swimming cap and blue paint, because I was going to go blue for a party once. I don’t think it was even that long ago — maybe like a year or so. I’ve got that ready to go. I’m ready to go blue. Maybe the next big gig, I’ll go blue. But I’ll have to make it clear that I’m not a Smurf.

Vincent: People will be like “Who the fuck are you and why are you playing with a Smurf?”

Holman: “Why is he wearing his swimming cap and got some of that shit blue paint on it?” 

Vincent: “Because he’s a legend.”

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HP: How has it felt over the last few years with the name change and the international growth the band has seen?
Vincent: Well, I think we’re disproportionately big in the UK, and that’s always been a frustration for us. We could play to 1,000 or 2,000 people a night in the UK and Russia, but nothing near that anywhere else.

Holman: We would come off the stage at these big festival slots, or headline shows selling out Brixton Academy — which is 5,000 people — and then play to 80 people in Boston, so it was quite a weird thing. Now it’s slowly catching up, and I think the new name, the new record, and the work we put in is paying dividends. It’s great, but it’s exhausting.

HP: Aside from the new record and the energy of the live shows, it feels like your wild music videos can draw people in.
Vincent: If we had more money, they’d be even more wild. Our vision gets tapered drastically.

Holman: We just come up with these crazy ideas, and people try to facilitate them. I realized the other day that on a subconscious level, it’s heavily influenced by The Slim Shady and Marshall Mathers [LPs and their music videos]. We grew up in the 2000s watching “My Name Is” and seeing Eminem in his Superman suit with his bum showing and putting it on people’s faces, so that’s the era of music videos that we hold highly. 

Vincent: That’s the alter ego of our band — deadly serious, but also ridiculous.

Holman: The music videos have to be the way we get our message across, because the music itself can be pretty heavy at times. We want to have fun, and I guess our idea of fun is getting beaten up.

Vincent: I get beaten up in nearly every video.

Holman: I was quite pissed off in the “Act Violently” video. I didn’t like wearing that tracksuit.

HP: What else would you like to see the band do going forward?
Holman: I’d like an equilibrium worldwide, where we can just be at the level we are at in the UK everywhere. I think that’s when everything will make sense, and touring will become a bit easier and more manageable. 

Vincent: I just want to keep writing records we’re really proud of and be even heavier. We’re going to basically be a metal band when we come back.

HP: Is there anything you’d want to tell people who are unfamiliar with Soft Play?
Holman: “Everything and Nothing” is our best crafted song, but you need to come see us live to understand it.

Vincent: I’d start with Heavy Jelly and work your way backwards, probably. And yeah, definitely come to a gig. Also, I don’t get Labubus.

Holman: That’s important. Laurie doesn’t get Labubus and I say “Free Palestine.”

Soft Play appears in our “What Does Punk Mean To You?”
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YUNGBLUD is bringing the rock star back to rock. At just 27, the British firebrand stunned 45,000 fans and the world at Ozzy Osbourne’s farewell show with a jaw-dropping, emotional cover of “Changes.” Critics and legends alike are calling it one of the greatest live performances of the past 25 years. In a genre starved…

From Motel-6 to Main Stage: A Conversation With Microwave

After breaking into the 2010s alternative scene with 2014’s Stovall and 2016’s acclaimed Much Love, it took nearly a full decade before the Atlanta guys in Microwave began to see the post-hardcore band as a realistic career path.

Having opened for a who’s who of the alt-rock world (from Jimmy Eat World to Joyce Manor, Motion City Soundtrack to the Wonder Years), vocalist/guitarist Nate Hardy, bassist Tyler Hill, and drummer Tito Pittard never questioned their choices with Microwave from a creative perspective, but the van-based life of a touring rock band wasn’t exactly paying their bills.

But following a pandemic-forced break after their 2019 release, Death Is a Warm Blanket, Microwave saw a shift in their trajectory, with the next generation of fans discovering the band (along with many of their peers). That push helped 2024’s Let’s Start Degeneracy and recent tours become the group’s biggest successes to date, with even more planned with the 10-year anniversary of Much Love to celebrate as well.

Hit Parader spoke with the band backstage about their recent growth, anniversary shows, and much more.


Photo: Bridget Craig

Hit Parader: Now firmly in your second decade as a band, what’s it been like to see your steady growth really starting to pay off?
Tyler Hill: Honestly, we had a little bit of a gap before our last record because of COVID, and when we came back was really the first time the band was ever financially profitable or anything. So to us, it feels like more of a recent development.

Nate Hardy: We spent a long time just touring and sleeping on people’s floors and all sorts of different places. Motel 6 was as nice as it got. But yeah, it feels awesome to have that growth since the pandemic and be a viable thing that we can focus on. That’s always the fear when you start out as a band. You have to quit every job and find a new job every six months because you’re trying to “make it,” so you can’t focus on songwriting or trying to become a better band with your full energy and focus. I feel like it’s finally a viable life path for us right now.

Tito Pittard: It  feels great. I love music and focusing on making the best music and performing the best that we can.

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HP: How different was it to see this next generation of fans and bands that were introduced to you after the pandemic break?
Hardy: We toured with Hot Mulligan and Mom Jeans before they popped off, and I feel like those bands and a handful of others were good at Twitter and being funny on the Internet, so they were able to attract a younger audience than we did. We got to be in the periphery of that as a band that tours with them, so we saw a bump around 2022 when those bands were popping off. We did a tour with Story So Far, Mom Jeans, and Joyce Manor in 2022, and that was when we could see this as a viable thing for us. It was like “OK, now people generally fuck with this realm of the music scene.” 

Hill: We started to see bands like Free Throw and others from our 2010s scene get a new generation of fans. That was also when we started getting messages where people were like “You guys were my favorite band in high school” and now they graduated college and have successful careers.

HP: A lot of those bands from that 2010s scene — including Microwave — are celebrating big 10-year album anniversaries. What’s it been like to look back on those first couple albums?
Hill: I definitely had a “Holy shit, I can’t believe it’s 10 years” moment. There was a point when we first started when I said to Nate, “Yo, the goal in 5 years should be to sell out the Tabernacle,” — which is the craziest thing for a band that was playing to 5-20 people in Atlanta. We didn’t do it in 5 years, but we did it in 10, and I don’t even know what the word is to describe how I feel about that.

Hardy: People are always conflicted between whether it’s like “Oh, if you do a nostalgia tour, then it feels like that was the golden era and your new music is less relevant,” but I feel like if you ask anyone in music what their favorite songs of theirs are, it’s always the most recent thing they did. To me, it’s like we’re refining and trying to get better all the time, so the more recent stuff is more of a representation of who I am now. But the nostalgia thing has a big place, and I feel like you do yourself a disservice as a band if you’re unwilling to relive that “golden era” for just a little bit and try to recapture that vibe. I think it’s cool to celebrate that.

HP: Speaking of new music, Let’s Start Degeneracy was a hit with both critics and fans. Did that surprise you after a handful of years between albums?
Hardy: I don’t think it was a surprise, but it did feel good. It would be a little bit more depressing if the only songs people knew or cared about were the old ones.

HP: With a bunch of growing successes in your rear-view, what are some of the upcoming goals you all still have for Microwave?
Pittard: It’d be cool to be a headliner at big festivals like Riot Fest, like our boys in Knocked Loose. They crush it every time.

Hill: Yeah, it’d be pretty cool to be able to level up the production and stuff. I think we’d probably have a lot of fun with that.

Hardy: I want flames on the stage. I’m trying to play some shows where we can afford flames. We already did the first 5-year plan of selling out the Tabernacle, so the next 5-year plan is to play shows that include flames.

Microwave appears in our “What Does Punk Mean To You?”
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Hit Parader #1: Yungblud Edition

October 2025 — $12.99

YUNGBLUD is bringing the rock star back to rock. At just 27, the British firebrand stunned 45,000 fans and the world at Ozzy Osbourne’s farewell show with a jaw-dropping, emotional cover of “Changes.” Critics and legends alike are calling it one of the greatest live performances of the past 25 years. In a genre starved…

Near-Death, Full Throttle: A Conversation With Cliffdiver

For a band that’s only two albums into their career, Cliffdiver has already been through more ups and downs than most acts with twice their tenure.

 From quickly becoming the buzziest band out of Tulsa with 2022’s Exercise Your Demons to nearly dying in the most Final Destination van accident on their way to 2023’s Punk Rock Bowling festival (a chain link snapped off of a truck and burst through the window of their van, lodging itself in the neck of bassist Tyler Rogers, who was knocked unconscious and hemorrhaging blood while driving the van), most people’s first introduction to the pop-punk/emo band was sensational in one way or another.

And while Cliffdiver’s sophomore effort, 2024’s birdwatching, hasn’t led to quite as many dramatic headlines, it has seen them grow their fanbase, entrench themselves in the national scene, and refine their sound while dropping from a whopping seven band members down to five.

With more music on the way and a continued head of steam as the band continues to plow forward, Hit Parader caught up with co-lead vocalist Joey Duffy backstage to talk about the Oklahomans’ successes, goals, and how near-death experiences can shape a band.


Hit Parader: How has the band grown since the release of birdwatching as opposed to the immediate jumpstart of Exercise Your Demons?
Joey Duffy: It’s been really interesting and transformative going from our first album with us all coming together, trying to learn each other and how to write together, to putting out birdwatching, which felt like a trauma response for a lot of us. After we all almost died in the accident, we had that perspective of sitting back down and saying, “OK, what do we really want to talk about? What’s important to us? How do we write an album about all of these different emotions, instead of the linear story that Exercise Your Demons was?” I think a lot of people have connected to the more personable nature of this album, and it’s more of a collection of moments than a story. It’s nice to see people go crazy for the new songs live, which isn’t what you always see. People are screaming the new songs, which is a beautiful thing. We’ve just got to get more people to listen to it.

HP: What was it like to get back in the van after the accident?
JD: We had to process a lot, but we made jokes about it because that’s what we do in Cliffdiver. You’ve got to laugh about the pain, or else it will overcome you and drown you in the ocean of regret. When we were in the hospital on the day of the accident, Tyler was like, “Are you guys going to keep going to Las Vegas?” We’re like “No, dude, we’re not going to go to Las Vegas right now — especially not without you.” But right when we got in the van a month later, Tyler drove first and said, “Alright, let’s try this again.” Now, there’s stress related to that accident that’s always present when you’re driving. When the van swerves twice, everybody’s clenched up, looking down the aisle, going, “Is this it? Is this Final Destination, and it’s finally catching up?” But it’s been an important meditation on the stoic nature of life that everything is so temporary. We were having the best day ever that day, playing Madden in our brand new van. We were driving to Zion National Park to hang out in the wilderness, and then all of a sudden, we’re all almost dead, even though we were all doing the right thing. But as someone who’s been very suicidal in the past, it’s a calcifying moment of “Oh, I don’t want to die.” In that moment, death is there. You have the opportunity, but you go “No, no, no. I’ve got to be here to watch my son grow up. He needs me.”

HP: How different is Cliffdiver as “only” a 5-piece band compared to your old lineup?
JD: Last year, when Gil [Erickson, guitarist] and Dony [Nickles, saxophonist] left the band to focus on their families, it was the question of “How are you going to bring that same energy and vibe and enthusiasm with a different sound?” We really came together to figure that out. That’s the good thing about having a band full of fabulous musicians. I’m happy to admit that I’m the least-talented member of the band, but I bring a lot of other stuff. Now, I’m picking up the guitar more, trying to write some guitar stuff for the next album that we’re working on right now, and we’re pretty excited about the opportunity to evolve again and push our own barriers to see what we’re capable of and what it’ll be like.

HP: Having played so many huge festivals and tours, where else would you want to perform?
JD: The goal is to go play all over the world. We want to play in Japan, Australia, England, South America, everywhere. We want to explore the world. I spent so much time not traveling because I spent all my money on getting messed up, so now I want to see everything. I want to breathe in all these new airs and see all these birds in different countries. I saw like 70 new birds in Ireland, and it was the greatest. That’s what rock and roll is about — not drinking and looking at birds. I also hope that we’re playing on the main stage at more festivals. I hope my son’s up there when he’s 23 playing guitar or piano with us, and I hope we do this forever because I think that the world needs as much hope as possible. That’s what Cliffdiver is to me. It’s being able to look at people and say, “It gets better, I promise. I’m an idiot, so if I can get a little bit better, you can too.”

HP: Are there any other messages you want to share through Cliffdiver?
JD: Just that it’s a weird time to be a musician. With the rise of authoritarianism, it’s never been more important for musicians to use their platform to speak out for disenfranchised groups, tell people that they’re going to be OK, and fight for people when they can’t. Be okay, you have to use your voice to call out this kind of bullshit when we see it. People should be free to be who they are, love who they want, and not have to worry about secret government hit squads kidnapping them in the streets. Fuck ICE. Fuck Trump. Trans rights matter. Free Palestine. Love your neighbors. That’s it.

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Serious Metal, Seriously Fun: A Conversation With The Barbarians of California

Following the release of last year’s debut album, And Now I’m Just Gnashing My Teeth, the Barbarians of California have been one of the fastest-rising metalcore bands on the planet. Bringing a fresh take on the heavy genre-bending sound made popular by bands like Every Time I Die, the group helmed by AWOLNATION’s Aaron Bruno and veteran rock producer Eric Stenman has found a musical home with bands and fans throughout the punk, metal, and hardcore scenes.

With new singles actively releasing through the end of 2025 and their sophomore album in the works, there’s no reason to think the Barbarians’ momentum should slow down anytime soon. From recently playing arena shows opening up for Deftones to landing on some of the biggest music festivals of 2025 (and likely 2026), Stenman, Bruno, and the rest of the band have clearly found a unique niche of mixing metal and hardcore sounds with their existing pop-rock sensibilities to deliver a crowd-pleasing sound like no other.

Hit Parader caught up with Stenman backstage to discuss the band’s rise, mixing things up in the metal scene, and more.


Hit Parader: What’s gone into the recent rise in popularity of the Barbarians of California?
Eric Stenman: There’s just so much love involved. Any person that throws a like on a social media post or listens on one of the streaming services, it all means so much to me. I made music back in the early 2000s, then I went into the studio side of things, so to come back later in life and be able to write and perform music and get any acceptance of it is just mind-blowing. I appreciate every interaction with every person at every stage.

HP: Barbarians is obviously a heavy band, but it has a wide range of fans, so how does it feel to play festivals where you’re by far the heaviest act?
ES: We’re always walking that balance, because we are very heavy and try to melt faces with the music, but we also have a comedic element and a lot of melody in there. We want it to all make sense and not come out of left field, but we welcome being the heavy band with a twist that can hopefully fit in elsewhere. I don’t know whether or not we’re succeeding in that, but it’s been a blast so far, and we can’t wait to just keep tweaking people’s heads out a little bit.

HP: With so much attention on the debut album last year, what’s the focus going forward for the band?
ES: We’re in the middle of putting out a few new songs, and we’re working hard to get the next record out. We just want more of this music to exist in the zeitgeist because it’s so fun to make these songs as fans of the music. Whether 5 people listen to them or 500,000, it’s just fun to put more music back into the world that you love so much. We’re just focused on more songs and more shows. 

HP: Seeing as you played in bands when you were younger and then moved into the studio for a while, what was it like coming back to the stage this time around?
ES: The immediate thing I’m struck by is the instant feedback. It used to be that you’d play a show in Denver and go, “I think they liked us. Those two people in the front were clapping hard.” With social media, you now get instant feedback of good and bad comments — and I appreciate the bad too, because I get a laugh out of it and learn from that. It’s also the immediacy of releasing music, because there used to be so many gatekeepers. You had to go to a real recording studio and spend a bunch of money to get the record done, and then maybe sign to a label and wait six months for the label to figure out their plan. Now, you can literally finish a song and have it out a week later on the same platforms as Metallica and Taylor Swift. That’s a huge game-changer.

HP: What can fans of And Now I’m Just Gnashing My Teeth expect from the new songs?
ES: The challenge for any band is to always sound like you, but with a new spin on it. Obviously, we’re a baby band only on our second record, but it still has to be worth someone’s time. You want them to hear something new, but you don’t want to leave them scratching their head because it’s so different. We’ve all had our favorite bands make records that are just too far off the reservation, and that’s not what we want to do with Barbarians. We want to do what we do, but better. We set a benchmark that we’re very proud of, but we have a chip on our shoulder, and we want to beat it. 

HP: At a lot of the big festivals and such, you’re playing to crowds that aren’t necessarily familiar with Barbarians. Is there anything you’d want to tell those people?
ES: I think it could serve as an introduction to people who don’t love heavy music, hardcore, or metal. This could be a gateway drug into those genres, because I think we have a catchier twist, and we want you to bob your head. I love math rock and math metal, but I also like to know where the “1” is and be able to bob my head to it. If you hit a good riff, let me hear that riff some more. Some bands hit it at 4:50 into a song and never go back to it, which makes me sad. I want to hit that riff early and often, and I want people to find at least one part of one song that gets them to bob their head. We don’t claim to be a pure metal band or anything, but we try to strike a musical nerve where we can.

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Back With a Bang: A Conversation With The Ataris

With so many bands — particularly pop-punk bands — celebrating major anniversaries for their albums from 20-25 years ago, it’s no surprise that a lot of them are jumping back on the nostalgia bandwagon.

But while the Ataris could go from town to town selling out shows and drawing crowds at festivals by playing So Long, Astoria over and over again, they’re not content with just living in the past. Instead, Kris Roe and his collection of friends are finally releasing their long-awaited sixth album in March, pushing the band’s discography forward for the first time since 2007’s Welcome the Night.

Hit Parader spoke with bassist Mike Davenport about the band’s return to the spotlight, maturity, and much more.


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Hit Parader: Looking back on the last 30 years, what does the “story arc” for the Ataris look like?
Mike Davenport: It’s funny because it’s not just an arc, but an up-and-down kind of situation. When you’ve been a band 30 years, you see yourself start really small — our early shows were played to 19 people in a bagel shop or something — and then you get to this point where you’re playing these festivals like Reading and Leeds in Europe with 50,000 people or whatever. But you also hit lulls in your career along the way in this very Spinal Tap way, where you’re like, “What happened and why are we here?” Then things start to come back up again. It’s just like everything with music, it has its ebb and flow. When we started our first tour, we called every basement, backyard and VFW hall we could. We got in the van and just booked anywhere we could play. So from those days to 30 years later playing shows like Riot Fest and Aftershock, we couldn’t be more grateful.

HP: How different is it to be in a band as a father, compared to when you started basically as a kid?
MD: Well, one big difference is that when we would go out on tour in our early days, we’d go out for three, four, five months at a time. We’d barely come home. It was like a “We don’t know what home is” kind of thing. Now in our older, wiser days, we try to mostly do weekends and get home for a couple days in between. It’s still a crazy grind, but you get home and make sure the kids are in school and that your wife still loves you. That’s the most important thing, but it takes a lot of time to learn that.

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HP: How does it feel to see the nostalgia and love for not just The Ataris’ So Long, Astoria, but also some of the other massive albums from the first half of the 2000s?
MD: There’s a lot of nostalgia for that era going on right now. I grew up listening to a lot of metal bands as a kid — and Hit Parader was a magazine I read for a lot of those metal bands — and hair metal really never saw the resurgence that pop punk has. It’s so weird to me that our genre has kids latching on to it again, almost like a second coming. We all blew up in the late ‘90s and early 2000s, but then there was a downswing where even bands like Blink-182 went from playing stadiums down to venues like the House of Blues. But now, for the last 10 years or so, all of us have taken this big step back up because the next generation has come in loving pop punk. I’m just wondering if hair metal is finally coming next.

HP: What goes into striking the balance of not being a full-time band anymore but still making the most out of the weekend festival gigs and such?
MD: I just think it’s maturity. We’re all pushing 50 now, and as we get older, I think we realized that the balance is just as important to our success in playing music. We all laugh at each other, because we have this disease where it’s like we’re sick because we love that time on stage so much. That hour or however long it is that we get on stage drives us inside, and we have to have that, but finding the balance between that and our real lives at home is very tricky. We all have families and kids and those kinds of things, and now we’re able to manage it better because we’re older and wiser than we were as kids.

HP: How have you seen the music industry as a whole change over the decades?
MD: Well, we used to sell records. We don’t sell records anymore. It’s all about the live show now. We get paid better these days to play shows than we did back then, but we don’t sell records, so we don’t get paid on that end of it. The good news is that the kids are 100% into what we’re doing right now, so it’s good to know that it didn’t just fade away. There was that time in the middle where maybe we thought we were going to go the way of the dinosaur.

HP: After so many years together, what do you want to see the Ataris do in the next 5 years?
MD: I used to think “5 years? Talk to me in 5 days!” But now that we’re a little bit older and wiser, I can think a little further ahead. We love getting to play in other parts of the world, so the next couple of years will definitely have us in South America, Australia, and places like that. The goal for the next couple of years is to play in as many cool places around the world to as many of our fans as possible. We just got up to Alaska for the first time ever in our career, so we’re trying to hit all of these places where our fans can see us live.

HP: What was it like to record a new album for the first time in nearly 20 years?
MD: It feels good. We all finally got focused on what was important, what our job was in the band, and put behind us a lot of things that had been tearing us apart in the middle years.

The Ataris appear in our “What Does Punk Mean To You?”
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Still Riding the Wave: A Conversation With Senses Fail

While many of the 2000s biggest rock bands are back for the first time in a while to celebrate 20- or 25-year anniversaries for their iconic albums, Senses Fail never really went away. 

Having released an album every few years since 2004’s breakthrough Let It Enfold You, vocalist Buddy Nielsen and his bandmates have remained remarkably consistent over the last 20+ years. And with tour dates and festivals on several continents each and every year, the veteran post-hardcore act shows no signs of slowing down. 

Hit Parader spoke with Nielsen backstage to chat about the past, present, and future of Senses Fail.


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Hit Parader: What’s kept Senses Fail consistently going for decades as other bands have taken some pretty extensive breaks?
Buddy Nielsen: I think at the end of the day, it’s really what I like doing. There were some times where we might have slowed down behind the scenes after the mid-2000s, but I just really enjoy music and the act of touring. I love traveling, and I think the main thing that really buries a lot of bands — aside from money — is that they don’t like traveling. So if you’re not making money and you don’t like traveling, it’s really hard to keep the band going. And the money comes and goes, everybody goes through that, it doesn’t matter. I think Neil Young said, “Sometimes you’re playing clubs, sometimes you’re playing stadiums,” and that’s coming from someone as iconic as Neil Young. There have been times I’ve seen Bob Dylan playing 1,000-capacity theaters, and you’re like, “Really?!” But that’s the reality, it’s not always the big fest or the big show. When that’s OK, and you still love doing it, you can ride the wave of whatever your career is going to be — because it’s not going to be linear. I think that freaks most bands out, because they expect their career to just be this linear rise. There’s always going to be some ebb and flow to it, but if you still love traveling and playing, then generally you can make it all work.

HP: How different is that traveling and playing now as opposed to when you were doing it early on?
BN: It’s difficult sometimes. I got food poisoning two nights ago, and sometimes I show up sick because I’ve got two kids at home. It’s a lot more like we’re here to do business instead of the extracurricular activities. Those happen, and they’re fun, but that’s few and far between. I went to bed at 9 last night and slept for 12 hours, because I just can’t do all of it anymore. The people that never stop are the ones who are no longer with us, unfortunately. It’s more like showing up to do a job now. We look at it like it’s our job to go out there and be consistent and represent the memory of what the band is to our fans. We’re there to give people a chance to have some sort of escapism from this shithole we live in. (5:41) There you go.

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HP: What’s it like to play a festival where half of the bands were inspired by Senses Fail and the other half inspired you?
BN: It’s cool because I’ll get to hear records I grew up on, and it feels like it’s just passing the torch from one generation to the next. We’re right in the middle right now, and that’s a testament to the festivals. We love playing festivals. I know some bands hate them, but it’s always been amazing to come out and see everyone. I’m just excited to be able to continue having fans come out, because that’s one thing I don’t take for granted. I think a lot of people just assume once you have a fan, you’re always going to have a fan, but I don’t think that’s the case. You’ve got to really continue not to bum them out, and that’s our goal.

HP: Speaking of festival sets, how do you balance wanting to play more recent music with the nostalgia side of your catalog?
BN: For a festival, we’re going to play mostly the hits, but if you come see a headline show, we’ll mix it up. We have shows where more than half the set is from our more recent, heavier records, but we find a place and time to do it. At a festival, you’re playing to people who only know one song from your band, so you should play that one song.

HP: How does it feel to be celebrating big 20-year album anniversaries with a lot of bands you’re friends with these days?
BN: I still keep in touch with Mikey [Way] from My Chem[ical Romance], and we’re always talking about stuff like that. Like when they played MetLife Stadium was just so crazy, because that was their dream for as long as I’ve known them. I’ll post some flyers from old shows where the bill was like Senses Fail, My Chem, and some random band that isn’t around anymore. It’s just nuts to look at that and reflect on it, even as the members of the bands who are doing it. It’s crazy to be allowed to do this for so long, because it was a completely different world we started in. To have started in that world and exist in that for so long, and then end up in this one, navigating all the bullshit — it’s been a wild ride for a lot of the bands.

HP: After all this time, what’s left for you to do with Senses Fail?
BN: There are a lot of places we haven’t gone yet. We just went to South America for the first time, and I’d love to go to Southeast Asia and China. I want to do more of that and more festivals — bigger festivals too, like Coachella. I want to do everything for the rest of my life, so someone’s going to have to tell me when it’s time to stop.

Senses Fail appears in our “What Does Punk Mean To You?”
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